Humberto de La Calle, presidential candidate to 2018 ellections in Colombia, photographed in July 2017. (Photo by Daniel Garzon Herazo/NurPhoto/Sipa USA). PA Images, All rights reserved..
This interview is
part of the series Colombia
elections 2018: de-polarization and disinformation produced
in partnership with Nueva Sociedad and the Friedrich Ebert
Foundation.
DemocraciaAbierta: What is your perception of the use currently being made of issues such
as the peace agreement for the sake of creating populist agendas which polarize
Colombian society?
Humberto
de la Calle: As I have said in the past few days, I believe that the peace agreement
is at risk. This is due, on the one hand, to an opportunist and populist
approach on the part of some political actors and, on the other hand, to the
slow pace of its implementation and the scandals surrounding it.
It is hard to understand how you can
polarize peace. But ever since the plebiscite campaign in October 2016, we have
witnessed an opportunistic use of the peace agreement. It is very worrying that
peace has become a tool which some use at their convenience, according to
electoral calculations.
The campaigners for the NO vote pettily
played on fear and alleged gender ideology to obstruct the peace agreement. Now,
in the current election campaign, some have moderated their discourse and say
that they no longer intend to tear it to pieces but only wish to suggest some changes,
while others have gone from stating that they were always against it to supporting
it overnight. Opportunism in relation to peace is all-pervading, and several
candidates have been changing their minds about the peace agreement depending
on which way the wind blows, like wind vanes.
DA: What
effect does polarization before the May 27 elections have on the traditional political
parties? Does it strengthen them, or weaken them?
HC: Political
parties in Colombia are currently facing major challenges. The main challenge
is the fact that citizens have lost confidence in democratic institutions. Just
look at the sheer number of candidates seeking endorsements for these elections.
Polarization is definitely one of the factors contributing to the weakening of
traditional parties, to which I would add exacerbated personalism and the
widespread tendency to spread fake news, memes and deceptive headlines which
ignite like gunpowder and are taken for certain by large numbers of people – which,
in turn, increases polarization and hostility towards anything that smells of traditional
politics. We are faced with a real paradox.
This does not detract from the importance
of an undeniable fact: parties have failed citizens. Corrupt practices (or, at
best, patronage) and the pressure that congressmen and other politicians put on
the government to get budget allocations in exchange for their support to
legislative initiatives, have greatly harmed the perception that ordinary
citizens have of politics.
I myself do recognize that the Liberal
Party faces important challenges and I have said it on many occasions: we must
renew the party so as to make sure we prevent those who have indulged in
corruption from staining the liberal flag and undermining the confidence of
citizens any longer. The situation, however, is actually more encouraging than
it might seem at first sight: the Liberal Party is united around my candidacy
and draws support from people throughout the country. At the March 11
congressional elections, we were the second electoral force in Colombia.
DA: Do these
elections entail a collapse of the middle ground in Colombian politics?
HC: There is,
indeed, an exacerbation of the right and left extremes at these elections,
fueled by discourses appealing to fear, hatred and populism. This is not an
exclusively Colombian phenomenon, it is a rising tide all over the world.
Despite increasing polarization, I do not believe
that the middle ground is collapsing. On the contrary, it is precisely there where
the alternatives to overcome radicalization and polarization are to be found.
My political project revolves around consolidating a political proposal at the
center, far from the extremes, allowing us to overcome the dilemma of choosing
between two extremes and to actually build collaborative solutions to the great
challenges of the country.
DA: How does
your campaign manage to promote agendas which do not polarize and misinform
society?
HC: In the
proposals I make, in the debates, the interviews and the campaign events I attend,
I always try to transmit rationality, truth and experience. I have never
resorted to fear or false information. I have even put forward issues for
discussion which are not very popular in a campaign, such as the need for tax
reform.
My campaign stands out for being the
cleanest, the one that does not play foul or claims to have false followers in social
media. Throughout my life – in the Constituent Assembly, in the Organization of
American States, in the negotiations in Havana – I have helped to solve
differences that seemed irreconcilable and I have tried to come up with
solutions to big problems. This is the spirit of my campaign. I can say that I
have done the opposite of polarizing – that is, reconciling.
Now, it is important to emphasize that seeking
an alternative far from the extremes does not mean not taking stances. Quite
the contrary: being at the center and, in my case, the liberal center, means
assuming with all due vehemence the banners of non-discrimination, away from
fanaticism and hatred. The center I am promoting puts the dignity of the person
at the core of the discussion and considers that economic and political freedom
must be a reality.
I believe in capitalism with a conscience,
with social responsibility, because Colombia cannot continue to fight for a
place at the podium of the most inequitable countries on earth. I believe in
striving for a society that recognizes itself as multiple, diverse and
pluralistic, but above all inclusive. In other words, I believe in leveling the
ground for everyone.
DA: What is
the most important challenge that these elections pose for preserving democracy
in Colombia?
HC: In my opinion,
the great challenge for Colombian democracy comes from the extremes. The
antidemocratic mood of some of my adversaries, a certain caudillista touch and some of the proposals we hear being made at
debates and interviews, are very worrying and, quite frankly, inconceivable in
a country with as solid a democratic tradition as Colombia.
It should be noted that some candidates
are making proposals which threaten head-on the constitutional order in this
country – proposals aimed at centralizing power with, for example, mechanisms
such as a newly-created "super-court of justice", reducing the number
of seats in Congress and ignoring decisions taken by legitimately elected
governors.
What is paradoxical is that these are the
candidates that are doing well in the opinion polls. I confess that I find it
hard to understand how this is possible, but in the same way as I have never
underestimated the ability of Colombians to overcome adversity, I do not
underestimate their wisdom when going to the polls. Some analyses indicate that
the election results are decided in the last two weeks and I firmly believe
that there could be a big surprise on May 27.